| this weeks all around By: Philip Fried Date: Jul 18, 2008 - 12:19 PM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5638
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| my string quintet No.2 sound file is here By: Philip Fried Date: Jul 13, 2008 - 04:43 PM
Ok folks --its all about me again An old recording from June in Buffalo featuring the Boston composers quartet and Robert Black Bass. Old school lyric 12-tone stuff on the classical lounge!!! Comments: 1 |
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| more of the same!!! By: Philip Fried Date: Jul 12, 2008 - 11:01 AM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5628 It seems that our Zietgiest concert made the blog!! Anyway, as a serial composer I find it hard to discover that I "fit in" Mathew argues that MN nice is best.t We stand accused, or we sit on the fridge!
Charging Forward features composers: A thought
When your not
familiar with a composers other works I would think it difficult to
judge them (style-wise) solely on a 2.5 minute work. Especially if this
is not their typical mode of operation.
he said... he said?
Mathew,
arguing against Colin's generalizations by proposing your own
generalizations provides little insight into the wonderful compositions
performed on this concert. Saturday, July 05, 2008, 4:03:38 PM
lets not quibble
My post was in between so I must addenda:
very cool
Sorry to push Colin.
There are
many of us, as artists, who chose to reject some aspects of our
society. True this too has been domesticated by colleges and
universities and by the compromises of everyday living not to mention
the profession itself.
[the above refers to debate about music] _____________________________________________________
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5630
uptown, downtown, all around. Does geography trump inclination?
"..This is why so-called musical purists find it so disconcerting to listen to rockers cover Cole Porter,.."
____ uptown or downtown what the boss says goes
"..- musicians jam together and figure out what they want the music to sound like through a process of collaboration. .."
Tuesday, July 08, 2008, 11:23:32 PM
[in reference to Billy's nagging requests for his personal group of women bloggers to work at NMB] Why not? By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com Hey Molly:
Wednesday, July 09, 2008, 11:02:55 AM __ I'd love to have this problem
"..Determining the musicians who perform your music can be even more crucial a decision than an orchestration choice..."
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| summertime NMB replies By: Philip Fried Date: Jul 5, 2008 - 03:44 PM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter_comments.nmbx?id=5628 A sort of non-review of my recent concert when I wrote Colin privately he did tell me he liked my work and that it was different- it was a serial work so I was surprised that he let the MN nice moniker stick
We stand accused, or we sit on the fridge!
Charging Forward features composers: Wednesday, July 02, 2008, 2:18:03 PM _____
A thought
When your not
familiar with a composers other works I would think it difficult to
judge them (style-wise) solely on a 2.5 minute work. Especially if this
is not their typical mode of operation.
______ this post came after Colins last so I ammenended it. I 'm not sure that Matthew was at the concert but both these grad students are showing their respective school ties rather than talk music. he said... he said?
Mathew,
arguing against Colin's generalizations by proposing your own
generalizations provides little insight into the wonderful compositions
performed on this concert. lets not quibble
My post was in between so I must addenda:
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| sequenza21 and a nmb reply---marketing By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 27, 2008 - 09:34 AM http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/829 To explain my objections here has to with the "spin." I have spoken before of the disconnect between the gate keepers and the public. The gate keepers repeatedly commission trendy works that the public will not show a long term interest. The strange thing here is that this seems to be a repeat of the arguments of the1960's except it was serial music that was the issue.
Comment from Phil Fried
It is perhaps hard to understand conclusions developed from aggregate statistics, used for a specific case, in this case “contemporary music.” Of course it would be no surprise if our definitions of contemporary music differ, and in the extreme at that. I could be wrong but besides the production, spectacle, stars, etc. I thought people go to the opera for the voice, the emotions, and the music/drama. Unless these content issues are addressed your going to need a lot of advertising. Phil Fried __________________________________________________________________________ http://www.sequenza21.com/forum/?p=86#comment-22552 Why don't the famous teachers teah into courses?
Comment from phil fried
“..I suppose this irony extends across the entire American education system: elementary school teachers are “more important” than college professors–since everyone by law must attend elementary school but not college. And yet the prestige is in teaching college–not kindergarten…” David you have this reversed–In education its the teachers who teach the fewest students that are deemed the most important. Even with the same salary level those with fewer contact hours have the “better” jobs. Jobs and fellowships where you don’t have to teach at all are considered the best. Phil Fried
__________________________________________________________________________ http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5624 Colin, thinks that composers are fascinating why not make it a marketing banner--OK! Well I try to be funny here! Alpha males and females rejoice!
"..Would it
be hopelessly superficial to market composers based on their
personalities, making the case that their traits and quirks necessarily
inform their music?.."
Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 11:13:10 PM ____________________________________________________________________________ http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter_comments.nmbx?id=5623
Frank mentions that the finds architectural incongruities; old/new jarring-yet this is not a problem with music in a concert hall. human nature maybe...?
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| same stuff.. NMB By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 23, 2008 - 01:04 PM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5615 final report from the conference -again being positive just seems so hard!!
Everybody wants to rule the world
Taking responsibility is the hardest job in the world. I'm with you on this Frank.
I forgot to add-if you didn't know-
Frank, taking responsibility is also a thankless task.
someone has to...
Dennis, doing the right thing, sometimes just trying, can be its own reward.
say what hieshbre?
"..It is the
music educators that have a huge role in how the students develop their
performing arts talents, because they are the ones who decide how much
money music departments get..."
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| ok-ok another NMB reply By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 14, 2008 - 02:38 PM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5606 Frank asks us to ask a question. Again Willy O, after promising to never blog again and is back with the same stock "mystification" answers-and pleased with himself that he can find a mistake in Colin, and out Molly--again showing that a non-profit and a for profit have different rules for bloging. I go a little to far on my "list" I think but why not? Note:I was turned down for the travel grant for this very event!! (oh-that in no way informs my opinion)--I swear! as long as you asked ".. to voice their thoughts about what the organizations representing the
performing arts in the United States should be talking about this week..."
back on topic while there is still time... Willy O, repeats what I say then, against topic, answers the first part himself. it seems that he has no questions.Now he predicates all his pronocements with maybe!!!! Yea Right!!! below is a personal note I sent to Colin about his tussel with Willy Colin writes: "..In fact, kowtowing to audience-development pressure in the way you compose may actually damage your work's reception: Listeners, especially listeners under 65, can smell inauthenticity a mile away.." Colin I get it--but perhaps the over 65 comment was unwarranted--you don't
want William "I'll never blog again" to look good do ya? Also I'm not sure
what context them's opera companies told you that the MET was mess'in with them
but overall regional music theater is doing great! I wonder, and I could be
wrong, that this has something to do with their not commissioning new works or
taking on composers or risking trying new singers? Some folks, even in
leadership positions, like to complain even if they don't have to or just to
change the subject to where to they are more comfortable. Now if them opera
folks were telling you that the MET's focus on the visual aspects of the art
instead of on pure singing and fach, or that their live telecasts with their
ability for super close ups, were too informing their staging to the detriment
of the audience--that would be different.
Then again it is also an opportunity.
Phil downhill from here it seems us folks who didn't go to the party are crybabies say what?
Actually, I
attended this conference a few years back- to see the undersecretary of
Education talk about "No Child Left Behind" and its supposed support
for the arts. __________________________________________________________________ http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5600 this is about the need to sell new music.
Its amazing how potent cheap music is Well, I'm not sure that Steve Miller ever composed a "new" song.
_____________________________________________________________________ http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/821#comments about Charles W.'s new opera Brokeback Mt.
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I’m happy that I’m not the only one still composing serial opera seria. Phil Fried ______________________________________________________________ about copyrights--again!
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| my new CD now on innova By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 6, 2008 - 01:28 PM http://innova.mu/artist1.asp?skuID=334 I'm the last of 12, nice work if you can get it. Of course my first recording is of my educational materials.
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| this weeks NMB By: Philip Fried Date: Jun 6, 2008 - 11:41 AM OK folks more on wild bill William -the happy go luck apparatchik! he shows us 2 things an inability to read others posts and his lack of knoledge of art history at the end bill sends me a personal note--that he also sent to everyone else saying its his last post!! we will see http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5589
The "third
stream" classical/popular music connection has been around a lot longer
than we think. We tend to forget that a opera singer, Robert Merrill,
had a No. 1 "hit parade" hit as a pop singer in the 1940's. "the
whiffenpoof song"
Right to the point
"..Even for
something like the Tristan prelude I'd use the term 'extended tonality'
and save the term 'chromaticism' for only very specific passages in
that work..."
a thought
When the dust
of history settles all that is left is the art. Why so much fascination
with the Venus de Milo? Well perhaps its because for some this statue
reveals the entire golden age at a single glance. Wether that golden
age is a mental construct, a belief, or a lie, or all three is besides
the point.
If you wish apon a star..
"...What if someone wrote...Would it help if someone...
what might happen if..."
debate as a one way street
"Well perhaps its because for some this statue reveals the entire golden age at a single glance. "
a Venus is not an Aphrodite
ah, we get the point!
Well Bill, If I didn't know the difference between a painting and a statue, I would avoid talking about art as well.
the good old days
In chat rooms
they used to, and still, have an ignore button that makes the trolls
and such miraculously disappear from the thread.
hi ho the rattl'in blog
" Has it been difficult to find women bloggers?"
the background.
What some
folks don't realize here is that Bill is an ideologue, a follower of a
strict political philosophy. All of his posts reflect this.
thats it!!
"..this medium has allowed us to voice our respective opinions and accept the differences. "
Have you or have you not ever been performed by the absolute ensemble?
"..It helps create a kind of cultural hegemony that indirectly justifies the economic and political hegemony of Wall Street. .."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5592 composing for choir and MN choir at that!
But when
one chooses a different approach,whether it be text, sound, or concept,
is there inherently a harder sell required to get the piece performed?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5602 geographical oddities I agree. This would seem to be a great opportunity for commissioning new
works-graduations and such. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5600 Its amazing how potent cheap music is Well, I'm not sure that Steve Miller ever composed a "new" song.
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| this weeks NMB replioes By: Philip Fried Date: May 26, 2008 - 10:25 AM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5580
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5586
"If there was
some kind of music I could spit out on a daily basis with the
consistently high quality of Mozart's, Bach's, or Schubert's, I
wouldn't be wasting my time blogging. "
__________________________________________________________________ http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5589 again William seems only interested in his own opinions By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com The "third
stream" classical/popular music connection has been around a lot longer
than we think. We tend to forget that a opera singer, Robert Merrill,
had a No. 1 "hit parade" hit as a pop singer in the 1940's. "the
whiffenpoof song" these folks get way to serious right to the point
"..Even for
something like the Tristan prelude I'd use the term 'extended tonality'
and save the term 'chromaticism' for only very specific passages in
that work..."
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5591 An interesting topic-but again some folks just have to vent-be this question does interest me as I have heard this pronounced bith ways-of course a question like this also offers folks a chance to show there-well interests. hold that tiger
As long as we are on that subject. Would you rhyme or not? That is, would the word symmetry be rendered as sim-i-tri, or sim-i-tree? Sorry I forgot my IPA!
now seriously...
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| Phil's weekly round up o' posts By: Philip Fried Date: May 24, 2008 - 11:29 AM Well I just got a McKnight fellowship!!! hows that for a Birthday present!!
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5586
By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com "If there was
some kind of music I could spit out on a daily basis with the
consistently high quality of Mozart's, Bach's, or Schubert's, I
wouldn't be wasting my time blogging. "
_____ http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5585 now that you mention it
I must say
that my compositional carrear has had many highlights but none that
could compare to my joy of dressing a drag queen as "Jakie O'Latern"
for a Holloween party some years back. You see I had to find just the
right orange hounds tooth (orange and white)A line Dress to fit a man
about 6.2-and did it fit!! You Bettcha!! You know he was the belle of
the ball!! Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 10:19:52 PM another view
I think that the subject of Fashion and music would take a lot of folks out of their comfort zones. Friday, May 23, 2008, 4:23:32 PM _____
http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/793#comments Time: May 21, 2008, 12:03 am Remember folks — as the NY Times states: Bang on a Can is not political, .... or are they?
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| ok yet another NMB reply By: Philip Fried Date: May 16, 2008 - 11:45 PM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5577 composers and their influences
glancing back
I would think that our relationship to other musics and
our own is in constant flux. So many changes occur in our lives both
professional and otherwise; expectations, opportunities, relationships
--anyway my music and my ears has changed with them.
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| a letter from MN--- about gay rights By: Philip Fried Date: May 7, 2008 - 08:22 PM a letter I had to print: Please read the email below. It seems that there is nothing we can do Comments: 0 |
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| yet another 2 nmb replies By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 25, 2008 - 11:59 PM I admit it--I'm getting tired of the easy negativity here --so I also try to be funny--well you guessed it! Anyway here is a point it seems that brainacs can be composers but only if they put their brains into the "curation" not the art itself.
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5548
Carry on...? Hey Dave! In the "most wanted song" I did not hear the words..."Carry on."
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5549
This one they get right, yet William manages to find a way to bring it down.--ok dem boys are at it again!!! a fine subject Gerry, Steve, Dennis, and Frank, I was very touched by your comments. I think it reminds us that in some ways we are all in this together. Thursday, April 24, 2008, 4:47:36 PM --ok dem boys are at it again!!! ok--don't blame me If you need to get your druthers, other opinions you must smother. Saturday, May 17, 2008, 12:58:49 AM my jokes are not appreciated -but da bois just don't seem to notice that everyone else has flown the coop-plus creating policy for organizations that you are not an officer is --well... Perhaps I have to pay some cash-I owe a debt to Ogden Nash Is my music as profound as my poetry? Monday, May 19, 2008, 11:31:53 AM
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Then again...
Friday, May 02, 2008, 11:46:14 AM
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| a positive NMB reply By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 21, 2008 - 05:20 PM Ok folks. I've had it up to here with the negitivity--so this time I try to find someway to explain my position, and the position of artistic types everywhere, with this. As this is a provocative post I think it works! http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5542
There can be a difference between a composer's vision and what they have to do to reach the mass "audience". Thursday, April 17, 2008, 11:44:04 AM
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| performers who blog By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 16, 2008 - 09:17 AM Blogers who are performers create conundrums for us composers that they might not be aware of. Of course we want them to perform our work, and in the blogesphere since there is no separation or distance between bloggers it is up to the performer to create distance if needed. Reactions can be as follows:
I myself took umbrage at one performer who mentioned about-"when we send them compositions" -evidently there really was no open call. Another problem is language-that is many hide their sonic prejudices behind a veneer of "new music performer."
anyway
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| NMB things get hot in Minnesota By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 14, 2008 - 11:17 PM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5535 The odd thing about be positive about music composition--is that everyone hates it! I have said before that it is easier to criticize other folks ideas than come up with your own anyway this blog dissolves and Chris saves it --I also stand up for myself as you can see best to read above link!
Chris is even handed here-Dennis doen't like this survey--perfers his own--well thats another topic-- Corry or Mr. "D" wants to place himself at the center of this thread even though I am talking to Dennis-- he uses "weasel" words to placate Dennis -- here he doen't seem to understand my objections to Dennis's argument--I love Dennis-an American original-but that does not blind me to unfairness. By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com I am
surprised that Teachers College is interested in this--I thought they
were all about k-12 education? (I posted some similar on sq21)
Of course an
academic study with controls is in general to be preferred to an
anecdotal one. Doesn't the College Music Society do something like
this? Don't they collect data from their members?
now that you mention it..
"..Heh. What could that be?
Dennis.."
Dennis
why leave out details?
this is it!
Well that's "one" way to interpret the data.
I disagree with Dennis's argument--the problem here is that Corey thinks my comments are about him and not Dennis further Corey has never hesitated to be direct in his--as you see]
Yes, I think its fair to say we all have agendas.
Is this post long enough?
Odd, I thought I was just standing my own ground when
the ruff stuff started happening. If I misinterpreted anyone’s
"motivation" I have regret.
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| to DC sequenza21 rply By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 6, 2008 - 09:13 PM http://www.sequenza21.com/index.php/750#comment-14138 For me this music never lets loose. Just when you want or expect a “song” (towards the end)you don’t get one –too composed for me. This work is also very dependent on its title for its ironic content as it could be about any business trip (if I heard the text correctly there is no mention of war at all). David, supporting American soldiers who lay down their lives for our country is not the same as supporting the government that sent them. Illustrating a dead soldier’s experience which is real, of course ennobles them. Perhaps you might wish to create a work of a different character maybe something about Abu Grahib or the government who sent them?? Phil FriedComments: 0 |
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| even more nmb replies By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 6, 2008 - 05:12 PM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5524 Some folks who find that facts do not interfere at all with their point of view, bloging for them is to spin their web insights which are a self created world--that in itself is interesting --but not always their content. on second thought By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com "...Virtuosity is dying (I think, and hope)..." Kotch, have you looked at youtubes top music vids? some fast guitar eh? http://youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8 As to Mr. Connick, Schadenfreude is not an opinion. Phil Fried Friday, April 04, 2008, 2:12:41 PM http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5527 The problem here is different; Mr. Stone in essence describes his difficult life as a successful composers, traveling the world without mentioning --well the details. Nothing better describes the difference between those who are insiders that is those who blog from inside NMB and those who are outsiders. Chris Becker asks for answers, yet we can see how the academic world of composition tries to show how its victimised, and thereby loses all sence of preportion. they call me Dr. ... By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com I have a day job as a licenced elementrary instrumental and classroom music teacher with the Saint Paul Public schools. This fact sometimes places me in some very odd situations, you do pay a price for independence- but its worth it.
a question of scale? By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com "..They receive a small stipend (currently $21000) that's just enough to scrape by;.."
$21,000.00 small? Well I'm moving to Lilliput. Phil Fried By philmusic - philmusic@aol.com "..Unless one is full-time at a reputable institution..." Todd, please forgive me--but would you kindly provide us with a list of disreputable institutions. It could save us all a whole lot of time and trouble. respectfully, Phil Fried
"..As to how far 21K will go in NYC, that's not even worth arguing about..."
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| nmb reply By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 3, 2008 - 03:15 PM
http://newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5511 Lets be big for a change
I think that there are a lot more similarities between and within composers
than we usually acknowledge. For example; there are those composers who use
sound as a building block, and those composers "who" use sound as an
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| Darcy James reply--something new rhythm By: Philip Fried Date: Apr 2, 2008 - 06:15 PM
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| NMB again! By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 27, 2008 - 08:03 PM
http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5509 lets be big for a change
I always thought that the great struggle in music was elegance VS emotion. All other musical issues stem from this.
n a positive note...
"..-
broadcast honestly what they are seeing out there in the world. But
this often results in bad reviews, pelted fruit or being burned alive
at the stake :(
.." Tuesday, March 25, 2008, 5:33:05 PM
"Artistic honesty is just as likely to create a successful career."
Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:04:27 AM Ups and downs
Your right
Chris. Composers can have many more downs than ups and they hurt. By
its very nature being on the edge means that you can get worn down. Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 11:02:39 AM
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| yet again NMB replies By: Philip Fried Date: Mar 25, 2008 - 05:22 PM http://www.newmusicbox.org/chatter/chatter.nmbx?id=5502 Colin questions the over emphasis of warhorses in concerts. I disagree with 4change as there is a lot of educational materials out there. good idea
"..I'd like to see more composers take an active interest in pedagogy..."
Wednesday, March 19, 20 "WR" crashes the party flamin' composers in that nasty self satisfied way that folks get when they are not really involved
Ryan joins the party again to say everyone is wrong
the needs of the many...
"..You omitted the portion where he said he speaks from a perspective of the audience,.."
a flame is a flame is a flame
"..I sure didn't intend hate, and am sorry if that's what my posts conveyed. .."
Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 10:16:21 AM balme and flame?
"..I just
think that most composers do not have the interest or the tools or the
know-how to discuss aspects of music beyond their specific discipline
and training...." Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 2:09:03 PM
only because you made me
"..I'm saying that I think performers get exposed to new music too late in life, .."
Wednesday, March 26, 2008, 7:21:31 PM Exactly as it should be
"..Phil, I often agree with the things you say here, but this statement is just dishonest...."
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The bass line mentioned would work very well with irrational measures as it includes only two different durations;eighth notes and quarter note triplets. really-two different tempos So;
2/4, 4/quarter triplets, 2/4, 3/quarter triplets,
2/4, 4/quarter triplets, 2/4, 4/quarter triplets(sorry no good symbol on keyboard)
The bass part will sometimes align with the "uber beat" 4/4, but not always. Thats enough to upset the rhythmic apple cart.
Phil Fried
Phil,
This is, in fact, exactly what Kyle Gann proposed, and exactly what I did in the final example in the original post.
As discussed in my followup post (and elaborated on in the comments), the original notation aligns with the 4/4 grid provided you are subdividing in 3.
Posted by: DJA | 02 April 2008 at 07:59 PM
oppsey--thats what happens when you don't follow up!
Great go'in Kyle, but in my own defense I might point out that there might be a difference between 2 measures 2/4, 2/triplet quarters-- and single combined measure [2/4 plus 2/3 quarters].
oh forget it!!!